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[v0.54.2]Babylon 5 - Sins of the Younger Races Remastered {Rebellion 1.95+} *UPDATE 16.05.2023*

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TobiWahn_Kenobi
Hael-sose
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Reply #5251 September 21, 2020 5:43:59 PM
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I've played with some values for the Vorlons. Here's what I get (on a dark map) with:
- metalness 0%
- roughness 70%
- subsurface scattering 35%

Hard to find the best settings.. want to get it right before I redo all the textures.. you mentioned you did use metalness?

 

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Reply #5252 September 21, 2020 6:09:48 PM
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This one has:
- metalness 50%
- roughness 50%
- subsurface scattering 35%

But now it is more influenced by the galaxy color on red/green/purple maps..

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Darvroth
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Reply #5253 September 21, 2020 6:45:42 PM
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Nice.

 

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Reply #5254 September 25, 2020 1:09:48 AM
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where can I download this mod?

And how do I do it?

Thanks

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Reply #5255 September 26, 2020 5:03:52 PM
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Quoting Hael-sose,
reply 5251

I've played with some values for the Vorlons. Here's what I get (on a dark map) with:
- metalness 0%
- roughness 70%
- subsurface scattering 35%

Hard to find the best settings.. want to get it right before I redo all the textures.. you mentioned you did use metalness?

 

I started to watch the series again and noted in the episode where the Cruiser first appears (the dilgar Episode) that it is much more metallic than I remembered.

love your texture btw.

edit: depending on how clean your UV is I can help you bake Ambient Occlusion maps or bake lightning into the albedo (colour/diffuse) map

 

edit 2: as for metallic, you can tone it down and just lower the roughness to get speculate but less reflection. 

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Reply #5256 September 28, 2020 3:54:49 PM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5255

I started to watch the series again and noted in the episode where the Cruiser first appears (the dilgar Episode) that it is much more metallic than I remembered

Yes I remember. They do seem to differ per epsiode, it seems.

Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5255

love your texture btw.

Thanks!

Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5255

edit: depending on how clean your UV is I can help you bake Ambient Occlusion maps or bake lightning into the albedo (colour/diffuse) map

With remasterd, you don't have to bake AO anymore. You can put the AO map in the blue channel of the normalmap file. To do both, seems overkill and might cause artifacts. Meanwhile, I'm now comfortable to bake lighting into albedo with blender. And using the same lightmap for the bloom/emit channels. But thanks for the offer!
 
Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5255

edit 2: as for metallic, you can tone it down and just lower the roughness to get speculate but less reflection. 

I'll have a look thanks. The problem with roughness is that at a certain point it becomes just too mirror like. 

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Reply #5257 September 28, 2020 5:12:32 PM
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I think I'll stick to this one; metalic to 0 and roughness halved.

And now redo all the other textures..

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Reply #5258 September 28, 2020 6:19:34 PM
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The work is never done as the rework keeps getting in the way...

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Reply #5259 October 2, 2020 6:24:05 PM
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Quoting Hael-sose,
reply 5256

With remasterd, you don't have to bake AO anymore. You can put the AO map in the blue channel of the normalmap file.

that’s what I meant with baking the ao map   

love your work! Keep it up.

 

Quoting Darvroth,
reply 5258

The work is never done as the rework keeps getting in the way...

As it has always been   

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Reply #5260 October 2, 2020 6:25:53 PM
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Quoting Hael-sose,
reply 5256

And using the same lightmap for the bloom/emit channels.

i mostly upped the contrast for the Bloom map and used half the brightness on the emit channel (using the remastered shaders)

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Reply #5261 October 8, 2020 4:19:55 PM
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@Darvroth

Converting (my own stuff - I saved all the intermediate layer files) only takes about 10 minutes per model. I've already converted all the orbitals. Not too much work

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Reply #5262 October 8, 2020 4:21:17 PM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5259

that’s what I meant with baking the ao map 

LoL oh I misread hehe

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Reply #5263 October 8, 2020 4:28:11 PM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
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and they switched the bloom channel from Alpha to blue for whatever reason)

I spoke with Dolynick and this is because in DDS DTX5 the Green and Alpha channels are less compressed compared to Red and Blue. So the most detail-dependent maps should be in those channels.

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Reply #5264 October 8, 2020 4:30:54 PM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5260

i mostly upped the contrast for the Bloom map and used half the brightness on the emit channel (using the remastered shaders)

Also on this point, in a future version this will be changed so no need to half the brightness.

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Reply #5265 October 8, 2020 4:31:51 PM
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Vorlon Refinery

Vorlon refinery

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Reply #5266 October 8, 2020 4:32:44 PM
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Vorlon technology centre

Vorlon technology centre

 

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Reply #5267 October 9, 2020 12:25:35 AM
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Quoting Hael-sose,
reply 5264


Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 5260

i mostly upped the contrast for the Bloom map and used half the brightness on the emit channel (using the remastered shaders)



Also on this point, in a future version this will be changed so no need to half the brightness.

On this point, when we set up the emissive in the PBR shader originally, we just copied the calculation from the vanilla shader.  Recently Jon went back to rework certain parts of the shaders (mainly post processing) and noted that that old emissive calculation was very wonky and was severely amping up the emissive levels.  It worked out for the vanilla shaders for some reason but it was giving more expected (based on the pumped up values) that you'd expect in the PBR shaders.  It's been adjusted to behave with resulting levels more on par with what you would expect from the data map values.

I don't have a timeframe for the release of that change but it will be in the next version that goes out.

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Reply #5268 October 10, 2020 11:11:47 AM
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Holy moly! I tributed your old project on my B5 games retro website years ago and actually thought the project was dead. Am so happy to see you guys still here working away on it and that it's for Rebellion. Especially as I wasn't a Sins player back then but I am now! Been playing lots of Rebellion mods and doing youtube videos, would LOVE to do a video of yours one for fans like I've done with other B5 mods!

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Reply #5269 October 10, 2020 10:38:07 PM
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Blake00,

Point one, the races aren't balanced. If you choose to play as the Narn, buckle, up.

Point two, there is still debate if the Vorlon and Shadow's should be NPC only... but we've done some wonky things so the AI can't play them well either (cheats aside).

Point three, fighters in some instances will end up in a perpetual tail chase. This is resolved by fighter decay if the carrier can be destroyed. This also leads to some rather odd behavior from ships with anti-fighter weapons. Most battles it isn't too bad but occasionally its Outer Limits strange. (A lot of work has been done to mitigate this and still represent the tech disparities. Vanilla resolved the AI issues by giving strike craft insane tactical speeds.)

Point four, know your weapon arcs.

Point five, some ships are particularly sluggish early game, see point one.

There's more but why spoil the fun.

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Reply #5270 October 11, 2020 10:35:47 AM
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Sound good mate. I look forward to the next release and trying it with my mates!

 

Are you guys operating out of a new project site these days (eg ModDB)? I noticed the old site's been inactive since 2011.

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Reply #5271 October 20, 2020 11:31:55 AM
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Hey Guys I've been lurking for awhile and love the work you're doing! Is there a link to a download for playtesting? I saw your reply the Blake and I just want to play the mod the balance and such doesn't matter all that much to me. Thanks for all your doing!

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Reply #5272 October 20, 2020 11:38:16 AM
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An addendum, I would be happy to provide any feedback to you guys on any play experiences I have if that would be helpful.

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Reply #5273 November 14, 2020 2:04:45 PM
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Quoting dolynick,
reply 5267


Quoting Hael-sose,
reply 5264






Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,

reply 5260


i mostly upped the contrast for the Bloom map and used half the brightness on the emit channel (using the remastered shaders)



Also on this point, in a future version this will be changed so no need to half the brightness.



On this point, when we set up the emissive in the PBR shader originally, we just copied the calculation from the vanilla shader.  Recently Jon went back to rework certain parts of the shaders (mainly post processing) and noted that that old emissive calculation was very wonky and was severely amping up the emissive levels.  It worked out for the vanilla shaders for some reason but it was giving more expected (based on the pumped up values) that you'd expect in the PBR shaders.  It's been adjusted to behave with resulting levels more on par with what you would expect from the data map values.

I don't have a timeframe for the release of that change but it will be in the next version that goes out.

Thanks for posting that here and welcome to our little corner of the SOASE world

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Reply #5274 November 14, 2020 2:09:45 PM
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Quoting Blake00,
reply 5270

Sound good mate. I look forward to the next release and trying it with my mates!

 

Are you guys operating out of a new project site these days (eg ModDB)? I noticed the old site's been inactive since 2011.

That old site hasn't been updated in many years. But it is nice from a historical perspective. We have/mostly had some presence on bitbucket but that hasn't been used in years as well. Mostly because I had no longer much time for the project as did some other long time members and contributors. So while it is no longer active in the sense that we have a team working on it we still have some very dedicated souls keeping it alive (Darvroth and hael-sose mostly). But Hael-sose has all my old files - released and unreleased - and is very gifted with models and textures so we all look forward to a next release someday  

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Reply #5275 November 14, 2020 2:10:44 PM
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Quoting benfenator25,
reply 5271

Hey Guys I've been lurking for awhile and love the work you're doing! Is there a link to a download for playtesting? I saw your reply the Blake and I just want to play the mod the balance and such doesn't matter all that much to me. Thanks for all your doing!

Download is in the original Post first page on top.

Any feedback here is welcome

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