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Balance Issue between Vasari Rebels and Advent Loayists (Single Player)

June 13, 2012 2:45:55 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

I'll get right down to business. I am no pro player of Sins. I have played it happily since the original though. I only ever play single player (got stood on too many times online).

Since the Vasary Beta I have played now 3 or 4 games always against the Advent Loyalist. I was Vasary rebel. Every time I get into a battle my forces just melt away, and I mean fast!. I know a lot of you would just consider this a noob insight but I don't think this is the case.

In every instance both my fleet and the advent's where of similar size and composition. Like so many game in my time. The sort of situation where you can expect the outcome. But to my surprise my forces always get annihilated.

Something has to be done. In its present state the game is broken. I wonder why the game was even release if such imbalances are still present after the BETA?

 

 

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Reply #1 June 13, 2012 2:51:22 PM
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Why are you building fleets as VR instead of SBs?

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Reply #2 June 13, 2012 2:52:03 PM
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There are other factors that come into play, like has the AI researched more shield/hull upgrades, are you fighting in their culture, or is their titan higher level than yours?

Keep in mind that Advent fleets have great synergy between the different units and they now have anti-phase missile blocking tech now...

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Reply #3 June 13, 2012 2:55:25 PM
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If you are willing, post a replay...

You may risk humiliating yourself, but you might also learn something...more importantly, if there really is a serious issue, having a replay will give you more credibility and bring the proper attention to the issue...

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Reply #4 June 13, 2012 3:01:30 PM
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Quoting Seleuceia,
reply 3
If you are willing, post a replay...

You may risk humiliating yourself, but you might also learn something...more importantly, if there really is a serious issue, having a replay will give you more credibility and bring the proper attention to the issue...

 

exactly I agree completely, what it sounds like without seeing of course is you were fighting in their culture and as stated they have great synergy between their units. I have a question though did they have the coranata? If you were fighting in their culture against the coronata with suppression aura active that may be why you were overwhelmed as that is going to be a hard thing to overcome without proper support

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Reply #5 June 13, 2012 5:02:25 PM
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Hi phoenixst8r,

Yeah I might have been in their culture. Also as a general reply to the others. I did check their weapon strength and armour as well as hull. They had maximum tier one improvements, but so had I. They didn't have the coranata in my last encounter with them, but still they utterly destroyed me.

I will try to lay out the scenario for you all.

I attacked the next planet to mine. i had (roughly) 25 skirmishers, 15 assailants, 10 corvettes, 5 or 6 flak frigs, 5 or 6 overseers. For caps i had the egg, the carrier and the marauder.

They had about 25 of both disciples and illumis, 10 or so flakers, 3 or 4 swarm hosts and one Rapture support cap ship.

 

So I mean go figure. By my estimates (base on diplomacy of course) we had roughly equal fleets. Maybe the advents was stronger but that would have played out and become known over time. Instead my fleet where wasted and barley made a dent in theirs.

 

In any case thanks a lot for your comments guys. Great community here

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Reply #6 June 13, 2012 5:17:48 PM
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Quoting DavidBuckley,
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I attacked the next planet to mine. i had (roughly) 25 skirmishers, 15 assailants, 10 corvettes, 5 or 6 flak frigs, 5 or 6 overseers. For caps i had the egg, the carrier and the marauder.

They had about 25 of both disciples and illumis, 10 or so flakers, 3 or 4 swarm hosts and one Rapture support cap ship.

Well actually they out gun you in terms of raw firepower. 15 more LRF is substantial, and those drone hosts have 3 squadrons each. Your fleet seems to be a bit too cap heavy. Capitalships are great for support, but with the possible exception of the Kortul, Marza, and carriers after they level up, do not have the stats to compete with 50 fleet supply of frigates. In a case like I say the AI has a better fleet.

Granted its a bit odd they took so few loses, with your egg and nano disassembler you should have been able to take out the Rapture at least with focus fire. The rapture does have Vertigo which is a powerful defensive ability though.

 

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Reply #7 June 13, 2012 5:57:27 PM
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Well, it may not be that surprising...if he focused on their capital ship while they hit his fleet, and it was using vengeance...meh, idk, hard to say without a replay...

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Reply #8 June 14, 2012 2:10:20 AM
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Those illuminators probably owned your skirmishers, also if the rapture had concentration aura it was probably powering up their SC, not to mention the culture stat boots they got

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Reply #9 June 14, 2012 2:16:26 AM
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Funny part is Vasari rebels are OP and advent loyals are UP.

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Reply #10 June 14, 2012 2:18:50 AM
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Quoting bilun,
reply 10
Funny part is Vasari rebels are OP and advent loyals are UP.

 

so true man so true but hey we did get SA buffed, thats a good start =]

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Reply #11 June 14, 2012 10:08:51 AM
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Your all making valid points. I would agree to most of them but for the speed in which my fleet was destroyed. Correct me if I'm wrong but the advent culture bonus is shield related no? Which would mean over time they might win, but it wasn't a long battle, it was over inside of a minute! Not my entire fleet but 60 to 70 percent losses.

 

I just don't know.

 

Noob question now, how can I post a reply?

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Reply #12 June 14, 2012 10:17:31 AM
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Quoting DavidBuckley,
reply 12
Correct me if I'm wrong but the advent culture bonus is shield related no?

It is but it also now stops the Vasari weapon of choice, phase missiles.

Quoting DavidBuckley,
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Noob question now, how can I post a reply?

Quote button in the lower right corner. You can highlight what you want to quote and push the button.

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Reply #13 June 14, 2012 10:19:47 AM
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Quoting Ryat,
reply 13
It is but it also now stops the Vasari weapon of choice, phase missiles.

Another IMBA tech.

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Reply #14 June 14, 2012 10:20:02 AM
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In my documents, there's the folder called my games...ironclad, then sins, then some folder with auto record or something like that in the name...you'll have a bunch probably in there so use date and time to figure out which one...you can also watch replays in game, should be under single player...this can be useful for determining which replay to give and what time in the replay we should look at...

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Reply #15 June 14, 2012 10:20:50 AM
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Wait....replay or reply?

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Reply #16 June 14, 2012 1:02:19 PM
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lol, yeah it was replay.

but then how can I post it here for you all to watch? the file must be quote a few MBs in size?

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Reply #17 June 14, 2012 1:34:07 PM
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mediafire or dropbox or google drive

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