Let's talk Occ

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Join Date 05/2009

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Let's talk Occ

Here are my first thoughts on Occulus:

Chain lightning is sweet.

Blast Off is also sweet.

What the heck do the poke-balls do? Can I catch-em-all? Put them on my Christmas tree? They only seem good at level 15.

Brain Storm does not remove negative effects as it is supposed to. When it does, I think Reg will have received another nerf. Will also remove stuns?

I'm not sure about the passive abilities. At max rank, the lightning aura provides a 10% chance to deal 100 damage. The expected value of that is 10 more damage each hit. Ten DPS is nothing for three whole skill points.\

No stuns or interrupts automatically put him on the Tier 2 list, in my opinion.

Any thoughts?

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I've been playing with

Chain Lightnight 4

Blast off 2

Lightning blast 3

Brainstorm 2

as the basis for a creep support build.

Chain Lightning is used to take out opposing creep force and towers but proves less effective when facing a minion hoard.

Blast Off 2 extends the aoe range of blast off but Blast Off 3 and 4 don't seem to so as a secondary skill for clearing creeps, only need 2 points. I also use it to cut off demigods but rely on Chain Lightning for kill shots. A DG can be technically out of range but if a structure is in range you can target that and still kill the DG which is cool.

I wasn't satisfied with how the Ball Lightnings performed but I will have to try them out again against towers.

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Quoting primz,

reply 50

I think there will be some adjust to Occulus. Because lightning ball at lvl 15 stay like 20-30sec then they all disapear. Seriously it will be usefull only in mass pvp, like 3 vs 3. Recharge mana can be nice if u can do it on yourself too. Skills that increase stat with minions could be nice but u need at least 1 lvl in there and u need 1 of each kind of minions. i only test it in 1 game with AI. I cant wait to see how ppl will make a build with this char

Ok y this post I am guessing you havent even used him when he was modded in the game.

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Zygwen

Lightning Blast is great, but even better with Balls.

Blast Off is perfect with Chain Lightning, as it can deal a 2k damage spike in 0.8 seconds.

Basically, your build seems kind of hybridy mish-mash.

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Is it just me, or do all 3 of his passives suck ass?

King of the minotaurs only gives 500 hp, 30 weapon damage, 1000 mana. Really not that impressive considering it cost you 3 skill points, and you had to pay for all the minions which costs at least 1800 or so, not to mention I think you only get the bonus as long as they're alive, so if they die to AOE, you lose the bonus.

Sacrifice blows, only time I can see this being useful is if the game gets into mega lategame where there's 3.2k crits flying around and the heal could be useful. With 500 damage, you only heal your nearby allies for 200 at level 3 Sacrifice.

I don't know about the last one, I'm guessing it applies to minions, the chance to proc it seems really low, and the damage not amazing.

He's tier 2 imo, much like DA. No stun/snare/interrupt really hurts his killing potential.

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For 3 skill points, summoning his army is completely free for T4 minions.

Sacrifice is weakish, true. It should give off mana or something, to avoid being imba with a big heal.

The last one is awesome, it adds 10 damage per attack, on average, amongst all his minions and allies... 100+ DPS potential

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I haven't played around with the passive lighting proc much yet, however just his chain lightning coupled with a nature's reckoning was enough to pretty much neutralize a well played early-game minion oak.

The balls seem utterly useless to me. They only hit for 17dmg or so at level 1.

Magnus rod+vlemish+mana restore talent is increadibly, increadibly good. Magnus rod works out to be like 60mps by level 10 not counting the mana saved on other abilities while it's up. The third tier of the mana talent is almost broken. It's rare that a game does go to level 15 but when it does having -20% on your cooldowns with infiniate mana spam aoe dmg is pretty powerful. Now if only it removed debuffs like it was supposed to it would be one of the best talents in the game. Toodles tracking and early game bots ub chain spits.

Having the minions give hp/mana is interesting. I've been royally screwed numerous times when I was just about to get the killing blow nuke off, only to have a minion die and not have the mana to finish, or I have a spit on me and my hp drops 300...

Mid to late game it seems like a huge liability, early game it's pretty powerful.

Those are my thoughts.

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Some questions regarding his minons:

Does lightning blast work with summoned minions? Pokeballs? Creep? Other DG's minions? Are you SURE?

Will Sacrifice heal summoned minions? Pokeballs? Creep? Other DG's minions? Are you SURE?

Do items that boost hp/dmg of minions work on pokeballs?

I was attempting to test this in single player. The conclusion seems "no" but I'm not certain.

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Magnus, you realize the remove de-buff ability works, just at level 15 yeah?

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I'm sorry but assassin occulus is a teir 1 demigod without a doubt. Possible the only demigod who can be considered teir one without even having a stun. He can mow through creep waves and demigod hp effing fast. I squishy demigod going against him is suicide; and a demigod that can't heal or shield will have a bit of a challenge. The magus; vhals; and drain storm combo requires both timing and restraint to use properly (sadly I can't straight spam or I'll lose mana too fast.)When it comes to minotaur king; I don't even notice when my idols die until I am low on health and don't see hp coming in. I'm finally glad there is a damn mage that can health stack in this game; I tried it with tb and it just didn't feel right ( when I need bots I was too low on mp to cast a spell on a creep wave.) It is a lot easier to maintain mp with oc without having to worry about switching forms or pressing F4 ever 35 seconds. (Note: QOT is still my favorite; no one has assets like her.)

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Quoting Thundercles,

reply 58

Magnus, you realize the remove de-buff ability works, just at level 15 yeah?

I did not realize that as the couple times I've gotten that far I was far too busy smashing buttons to see what anything was doing.

Also what is the point of the ball lightning? They are currently low hp (even after the buff), extremely low damage, low duration, high mana pets that basically suck until the level 15 talent. Am I missing something here?

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Quoting magnus333,

reply 60

Quoting Thundercles, reply 58Magnus, you realize the remove de-buff ability works, just at level 15 yeah?

I did not realize that as the couple times I've gotten that far I was far too busy smashing buttons to see what anything was doing.

Also what is the point of the ball lightning? They are currently low hp (even after the buff), extremely low damage, low duration, high mana pets that basically suck until the level 15 talent. Am I missing something here?

yea you are...dont use them!

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Ok. I just played a match with my Hybrid oak against Doc Oc. And now normally I totally beat everyone on the field with hybrid oak(this was no high level game) since its just plain superior to assasin oak and they always think "they be better lategame".

In the end I got 5 deaths, although 2 of them were stupid luck(interrupted shield lucky shit) and another was a killtrade. The point is that he does INSANE dmg(although there's just one build and thats blast off), blastoff is like mines... but then rolled into batswarm. Chainlightning is rather meh, but good for a little more dmg. King of minotaurs is very good early game but becomes quite dangerous later on when you can suddenly lose 500 hp. Haven't used the lightning proc yet. Brain surge is not that good, sure 175 mana every 10 secs or whatever... wow.

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OC is my new second main he's a beast....but I can't seem to win games against other OC T.T

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Can someone answer these?

Some questions regarding his minons:

Does lightning blast work with summoned minions? Pokeballs? Creep? Other DG's minions? Are you SURE?

Will Sacrifice heal summoned minions? Pokeballs? Creep? Other DG's minions? Are you SURE?

Do items that boost hp/dmg of minions work on pokeballs?

I was attempting to test this in single player. The conclusion seems "no" but I'm not certain.

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awuffleablehedgie

Join Date 04/2009

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the animation regarding lighting blast seems off. I really can't say a time I've ever seen an animation about it. However, theorically it should work for everything: Creeps, demigods, pokeballs, minions.

Yes.

No, doesn't seem that way

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Iheard it was bugged, tbh I've never seen it proc.

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So i loaded a sp game and just smashed reguli over and over waiting for the proc. After hundreds of hits I never saw the damage. If it does proc the animation isn't noticable and the damage doesn't show for you, minions or creeps.

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Ok. That's stupid.

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I'm glad to have a new DG, and I think a lot of his abilities are cool...but I just have issues.

Blast off seems to be the only bug-free (gameplay wise) ability he has.

Chain Lightning's lvl 15 ability is bugged.
Either the tooltip or the first few levels of BS are bugged.
King of the Mino's stats randomly stick
His orbs get stuck everywhere (Note)
Passive Lightning from what I hear doesnt work

And that's just gameplay. Aside from that, his character gets stuck just like DA a lot.

Oh, has anyone noticed that if someone ports when you Chain Lightning them (i think that's the cause) you get connected permanently by the Lightning. (Till either of them die)
This lets both teams know where these two DGs are at all times due to the lightning ending at their position.

Note: I hate the orbs look. At least give them a cool death. Back in Beta, the Towers used to just sink into the ground when they died. Are we going backwards? Because that's all the orbs do. You can't tell if they are alive or dead with a quick glance due to the slow sinking.

--------Sorry for the scattered thoughts. A LOT of stuff to do at work due to the person I was supposed to be with today bailing.

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I use scaled and plenor as rook with staff of renewal. I never AA for a second in my life.

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That cahin lightning bug is actually pretty funny then!

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Its hilarious with Reg. When he dies at some point in the game, the trail follows him pretty high up.

Edit: That's assuming Reg dies before Oc.

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lol.

P.S. Teseer wake up! I chatted you a bazzillion times.

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You chatting me in DG? I'm at work till later tonight

PS: I just had someone tell me it's my fault they got infected with a rogue Anti-Virus BEFORE they installed the Anti-Virus I support.

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Haha.

Yeah, you're still online though:O.

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