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Question on Military Labs.

July 3, 2009 10:59:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

The Military Lab states that the more of them built the quicker frigates/small cap ships are built, however in playing I haven't noticed this nor have I noticed the actually build time # reflecting this so my question is #1 does this bonus even work or is this some left over beta text/code that should be fixed? #2 if it does work what exactly is the buff? (does it apply to any ship building factory on any planet or only to the ones located with the Labs?)

Thanks for your help!

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KayossZero
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Reply #1 July 3, 2009 11:14:50 PM
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Really where does it states that?

The only way I am sure that would increase ships building is for the tech only and the comes in the civilian research lab tier 6 or if you discover Relativest Factories (not sure if that is the name)

if you get either the research level of the tech or the artifact, it will increase the speed of building ships

I think what you are talking about is the starbase ability, where you could build ships, then yes

 

If you research tier 4 or 5 of the starbase ships building ability in tech (for sure) (rest I don't know) then research in starbase, up to level 2, then you get an increase of a certain percentage if you build from that starbase (I don't remember how much)

So since starbases upgrades can only be done by military labs, so in essence, you can increase ship production by using military labs and starbases

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Reply #2 July 3, 2009 11:20:43 PM
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When your mouse hovers over the Military Lab the description states this bonus. I really would like to know the math behind it if there is any (however I suspect this is some bonus that doesn't exist now or never did)

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Reply #3 July 3, 2009 11:27:31 PM
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Version, we are talking about Entrenchment?

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Reply #4 July 3, 2009 11:31:06 PM
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Interesting...it is in the strings files also, Never noticed it. Maybe it is automactically calculated. Funny never knew that, I only build 8 of each.

StringInfo
    ID "IDS_PLANETMODULE_TECHORBITALCOMBATLABORATORY_NAME"
    Value "Military Lab"
StringInfo
    ID "IDS_PLANETMODULE_TECHORBITALCOMBATLABORATORY_DESCRIPTION"
    Value "Gives the ability to research new military technologies. Each lab also slightly improves the build times for frigates and capital ships."
StringInfo
    ID "IDS_PLANETMODULE_TECHORBITALNONCOMBATLABORATORY_NAME"
    Value "Civic Research Station"
StringInfo
    ID "IDS_PLANETMODULE_TECHORBITALNONCOMBATLABORATORY_DESCRIPTION"
    Value "Gives the ability to research new civilian technologies. Each station also slightly improves the build times for orbital structures."

Interesting...It is only for the tech also...Interesting...

Probably so small that you won't notice per.

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Reply #5 July 3, 2009 11:52:47 PM
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The concept makes sense, but I think that someone should check the frigate factory .entity file in gameinfo...  (I would but I am on vacation and as such, don't have the file...)

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Reply #6 July 4, 2009 12:29:43 AM
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Ya, but if you look at the entity names I check for both phase and psi, only the tech get this bonus.

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Reply #7 July 4, 2009 12:33:56 AM
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I personally check the base sins string files it has the same as the one in entrenchment

and check both combat labs, and frigate and capital factory for abilities none for both sin and entrenchment

Also did a little checking on dev.exe, nothing build like 1000 (ya I go for broke just to check) labs (both), no changes in build rates in both without and with mods in both sins

no bonus for the other races either

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Reply #8 July 4, 2009 2:01:47 AM
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To clarify further yeah this is for Original/Entrenchment in either case the text description does state this. I've always wondered about this since I bought the game a few months back but at the time I only looked around on gamefaqs/google searches to no avail. If there is a bonus I'd like to know and if not well clean up that text if you can Devs.

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Reply #9 July 4, 2009 12:06:16 PM
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When you get 4 TEC SB's in a stars GW, max them out with the ship building ability, and tell them to build a 1500 fleet supply fleet... its done before you can even say military lab

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Reply #10 July 4, 2009 3:52:28 PM
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Its the same thing for civ labs, except its for orbital structures and not ships.

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Reply #11 July 4, 2009 7:10:15 PM
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Affirmed, and I remember seeing it way back in the demo, Vanilla 1.03. I saw nothing of the sort, of course. I'm surprised no one caught it sooner...

Mil labs and Civ labs both say they give a buff. TEC only. Now what would be interesting is if they actually put in such a buff, 1% per lab maxing at 10%? Or just remove the text...

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Reply #12 July 4, 2009 7:42:28 PM
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How about 5%... Buildings can have abilities, so just give them a passive ability that increases ship build time...

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Reply #13 July 6, 2009 1:36:08 PM
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thing is if you click on them the ability doesn't show up, nor if you check the ability section of the entity files, it isn't there

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Reply #14 July 6, 2009 1:52:16 PM
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In origional sins.. in one of the old versions... I did notice that when I had 2 military labs around my desert ship-building planet, the time it took to buid ships seemed to be lower... If i remember correctly the "time to build: xx seconds" was less around that desert than a different planet in the same game with no military labs.

I never bothered to mess with it further... and i have not bothered to notice it in 1.17 and entrenchment... (cause in multiplayer your waaay to busy to be looking at ship build times...) but I will see if i can notice it again...

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