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Join Date 09/2008

Sedna heal needs a higher cooldown

Hey guys,

So, im not going to complain about this skill being OP, however, i do believe it needs to be refined. The cooldown on heal is 7 seconds, may seem like a good cooldown time, however, i played a 2v2 today, i was UB and i had a QoT on my team, they had a sedna and UB. Now, this is a good matchup because we have a shield and they have a heal, however, the heal was able to keep them in battle almost constantly, the only time they went back to "town" was to buy items.

Now i may be wrong, howver 1500 health every 7 seconds just seems ridiculous to me, you can be literally unkillable with this skill and a certain item build, mainly a HP stacking build.

Correct me if im wrong, but this spell definately needs a higher cooldown, i would say 10-15 seconds, but 7 is too short for something that rewards you that much.

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With Magnificent Presence maxed out the cooldown is less than 6 seconds. If she has a -15% cooldown flag as well, it's less than 5 seconds.

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hmm but if memory serves magnificent presence is a 5-10-15 skill so add that onto the 4 heal points that is 7

7 skill points out of a max 20 hmm

if your bitching about the heal dead cell tell us your build and demi and then well take out 7 off those skill points see how u fare

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Sedna is fine. Her great heals are countered by her lower than normal damage. A lot of sedna players even complain that her damage is too low.

Buff QoT.

edit: oh, and sedna is fairly fragile too. And she can't heal when she's interupted. Catch her and stun her while she tries healing at a bad time and you have a near guarenteed kill. If you can't get the reaction time down to stun her right off the bat, count down to her next heal from the first.

You want to kill a sedna as UB? Spit, wait a few seconds, then grasp her. You will probally catch her during a heal and will have her on the run if you don't kill her.

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i say just make the healing spell a 1sec cast time and make her grow green or something to show that she casting heal then it be fine.

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Heal doesn't need a nerf to either cooldown/cast time. You're already screwed if heal is interrupted, and a 1 sec heal would be an absolute joke to interrupt.

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I support nerfing Sedna's heal time if UB's max damage output at level 20 with artifacts is put at 30% of what it is now.

There is no tank UB with artifacts set available in the game that will allow Sedna to heal more then 2-3 times without OOMing.

Sedna is strong in midgame, but not nearly as strong as other DGs endgame.

Sorry, deal with it.

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Quoting germ0nik,

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I support nerfing Sedna's heal time if UB's max damage output at level 20 with artifacts is put at 30% of what it is now.

There is no tank UB with artifacts set available in the game that will allow Sedna to heal more then 2-3 times without OOMing.

Sedna is strong in midgame, but not nearly as strong as other DGs endgame.

Sorry, deal with it.

Try using Sedna with Bulwark of the Ages. She's prettty much unkillable with it.

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Try using Sedna with Bulwark of the Ages. She's prettty much unkillable with it.

Try using any Demigod with Bulwark. They won't die because it adds a huge amount of health, regen, armor, and takes away a quarter of your dps. But they sacrificed 16000 gold for it, and they'll be underequipped in other ways.

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try using blood soaked wand

the most OP favour item for a healing sedna.

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I've played against a few Sednas where she's impossible to kill, nearly thats fine she never really did any damage to our team though.

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Heal is fine.

you can overwhelm it easily with a sustained damage strategy. a DG like Regulus or Beast can do it with auto-attacks. generals can do it with minions.

you can also use stuns, silences, and/or interrupts to prevent the heal from going off. requires a bit of timing and skill, but hey, nothing should be too easy.

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Quoting StAcK3D_ActR,

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try using blood soaked wand

the most OP favour item for a healing sedna.

The 1,000 really loses its effectiveness late on, and you cant use it in battle because its so easy to interrupt.

And outside of battle? Sedna definantly doesnt need heals, she pretty much just passives right back up!

I just wish her Heal animation was a little bit more pronounced. Right now its REALLY hard to tell when she is healing. I just turn off music and you can hear a high pitched squeel right before.

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Quoting Kitkun,

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Try using Sedna with Bulwark of the Ages. She's prettty much unkillable with it.Try using any Demigod with Bulwark. They won't die because it adds a huge amount of health, regen, armor, and takes away a quarter of your dps. But they sacrificed 16000 gold for it, and they'll be underequipped in other ways.

No.

Do you really want to experiment with this? Bulwark does not stop the full crit items and bracelets of rage + ashkandor. Nothing does.

EDIT: I should add, I'm not really saying it's OP, because if you let that game get that far in the first place, meh, you get what you deserve. I'm just saying there is no counter to the auto-attack/burst damage a few DGs are able to put out with maximum artifact gear. In addition, it is very unlikely you will get that type of gear unless you are playing as an extremely offensive DG.

All I was attempting to say is that DGs are strong at different points of the game. 1500 HP is not strong at the end of the game when a UB with an artifact or two will crit for the 3k+ range. (Max rank heal will heal half of that every 6 seconds.)

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To be fair: If you can get the Bulwark, how of often can someone on the other team save up enough for that?

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No.
Do you really want to experiment with this? Bulwark does not stop the full crit items and bracelets of rage + ashkandor. Nothing does.

I was rather assuming a similar level of equipment rather than one triple the cost.

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i have mainly played with her, and her heal is fine. She does really less damages than any other demigod, her only attack move doesn't do a lot of damages (however i have to admit that the cooldown is not really high but it is her only attack) and she only strikes at close range and doesn't do a lot of damages (unless you stack attack items and artefacts on her, but any demigod does a lot of damages in these conditions).

So yes, she is a pretty good healer, but if you are good (and you do not need to be an über-player to do that) you can easily interupt that move during the battle, leaving her surprised and vulnerable.

I don't play with her so much these times, i just don't like the fact that she lacks a good punch.

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Quoting Teseer,

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To be fair: If you can get the Bulwark, how of often can someone on the other team save up enough for that?

Just out of curiousity, what items would you suggest for Sedna to counter a UB of a full ooze/crit/auto-attack build?

There is no viable counter-gear. Sedna needs at least H. Crown to do more then 3 max rank heals. Wearing Bulwark and H Crown and the other highest mitigation armor items there is still no way you will survive a UB encounter assuming he has Slayer's Wraps/Ashkandor/Mageslayer/Orb.

In fact with Sedna wearing that type of gear you won't come at all close to outdamaging his auto-regen/life drain, assuming you had enough money to Pounce/Heal everytime the CD is up (which you don't.)

EDIT: If the UB player is skilled enough to be able to interrupt heals then there is indeed absolutely 100% no way you will win this matchup.

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i found that the first one to get artifacts tends to win but i think ashkandors price should be a fuck load higher maybe take off all the stats on it and give it new ones then shove all those stats that were on it onto all fathers ring and make it a 30k item

so ash wouldn't be like the wining item anymore and it wouldn't be so much hassle if they have it on a ub and u have no reg or ub to be able to do that much dmg

sednas heal is alright till mid to late game where it is arround about where the game ends her heal beconmes pretty useless 1500 when a rook or a ub has loads more hp then that i use sedna with 5000 hp so it barely helps

maybe get rid of the last skill point on the heal row and make a lvl 5 heal for lvl 15 something like 2000 heal

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I'm not really trying to say it's a problem, although it may be depending upon your perspective of game design.

What I am saying is that this UB complaining about Sedna being strong completely ignores how dominant his DG is at the end of the game, particularly against the DG he is complaining about.

The simple fact is that support DGs do not scale at the end of the game because nothing modifies the amount healed/shielded. Weapon damage/weapon speed/life drain is what dominates the end game situations.

The only way to prevent this is by insuring you do absolutely no feeding, and finishing the game before the opponent has too much time to gather gold.

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Quoting germ0nik,

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What I am saying is that this UB complaining about Sedna being strong completely ignores how dominant his DG is at the end of the game, particularly against the DG he is complaining about.

The thing about the OP is that he was probably playing a spit build. Spit is terrible against Sedna because heal just removes it, so she dominates you early and mid-game. An ooze build is much better because you can't remove the debuff with heal, and you often have health and hps comparable to Sedna.

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Quoting JagerJack,

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Quoting germ0nik, reply 20

What I am saying is that this UB complaining about Sedna being strong completely ignores how dominant his DG is at the end of the game, particularly against the DG he is complaining about.
The thing about the OP is that he was probably playing a spit build. Spit is terrible against Sedna because heal just removes it, so she dominates you early and mid-game. An ooze build is much better because you can't remove the debuff with heal, and you often have health and hps comparable to Sedna.

I agree, although I find spit builds to be terrible in almost every way compared to full ooze.

EDIT: Btw, it isn't until heal rank 3 that debuffs are removed with it. I definitely avoid spit UBs early game playing as Sedna.

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Just out of curiousity, what items would you suggest for Sedna to counter a UB of a full ooze/crit/auto-attack build?

Swift Anklet, Boot of Speed, Journeyman Treads, Wand of Speed, Godplate, maxed Inner Grace, Giants, Flag Locks.

Sedna needs at least H. Crown to do more then 3 max rank heals.

No way. Get Vlemish and Plenor.

Wearing Bulwark and H Crown and the other highest mitigation armor items there is still no way you will survive a UB encounter assuming he has Slayer's Wraps/Ashkandor/Mageslayer/Orb.

No Demigod in the game will survive that build. You have to take a build like that 2v1, preferrably with a Reg equipped with high level slows.

What I am saying is that this UB complaining about Sedna being strong completely ignores how dominant his DG is at the end of the game, particularly against the DG he is complaining about.

This we can agree on.

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Swift Anklet, Boot of Speed, Journeyman Treads, Wand of Speed, Godplate, maxed Inner Grace, Giants, Flag Locks.

I highly doubt this will win or turn around a game, unless the UB was stupid enough to not have TP scrolls. I was more just trying to communicate to the OP (who I doubt will ever check this thread again) that he can completely dominate the game like nothing else as well.

I only recommended Crown for the max armor build (otherwise yes, Vlemish and Plenor is the far superior mana/gold efficiency item), what I was saying is that there is no mitigation build that goes toe to toe with an artifact UB. There is only running away item build and hoping his teammates are not performing at a similar level.

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