Why shouldn't I be allowed to quit a game?

eobet

Join Date 11/2008

Why shouldn't I be allowed to quit a game?

It seems to me that people complaining about "rage quitters" are those who are playing these famously overpowered demigods, like Unclean Beast and Erebus. So, you are winning, why complain?

If I choose Regulus or the Rook, and end up playing against a team with two Unclean Beasts, I know from the start that we're going to loose. If that game would have been a custom game, I wouldn't even have started it. But since it's a pantheon or skirmish game, I have no control so I need to suffer for half an hour. And that half hour goes as expected, slow but steady slaughter. No chance in hell for a win, despite our best efforts.

That is not fun.

I bought the game to have fun, not to be a die-hard-have-no-life-online-competition fan.

If I would have quit immediately instead, I could have joined another game with better odds and had half an hour of fun instead of half an hour wasted just because you want the childish pleasure in crushing an opponent you know will never be able to harm you.

Get a life instead, and let me try to have a bit of relaxing fun between the times I try my hardest, which is actual work and family matters.

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Quoting Verity_,

reply 6

You don't quit the game simply because you will ruin it for everyone else.

Imagine someone doing this in a real life sports game. Just stepping off the field leaving the team one man short because he thought that the enemy was too good.

Any person doing this IRL is an asshole and the same goes for online play.

Just stay in the game and watch and learn, no demigod is that overpowered.

Quoting Sevenix,

reply 14

quoting postIf I would have quit immediately instead, I could have joined another game with better odds and had half an hour of fun instead of half an hour wasted just because you want the childish pleasure in crushing an opponent you know will never be able to harm you.

Your logic here fail, you wouldnt get a half an hour fun, because when you start having fun, the enemies leave. Why would they stay and have half an hour wasted just because you want the childish pleasure in crushing an opponent when they could have joined another game with better odds and had half an hour of fun instead?

See the evil circle?

These two posts sum up quite nicely why quitting when things don't go your way makes you someone noone wants to play with. If everyone quits as soon as the game doesn't go their way, all games would end before they are half way through when some shithead decides this is a waste of his time (boohoo I'm not winning), and everyone would have a shitty time. Guess what. Someone has to lose for the game to be played! It's a game with sides!

Right now not all people are like that though. Now you just screw over all the other people you play with (especially your teammates) because you're a sore loser and you cannot have fun unless you win. So you just make other's game experience crappy, but that's ok right, you paid $40 and by god you should be able to do anything you want. Funny how RL doesn't work like that. You ever meet up with your friends, for a game or something. Lets say soccer, and suddenly one side has 4 players and one has 5 because "screw you guys i'm going home!!"?

I'm so glad there is a banlist in the works that will hopefully let me weed out people like you.

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Quoting KOREAslayer,

reply 16

My perception of a "die-hard-have-no-life-online-competition fan" is someone who can't handle losing a game so he ragequits and pretends like it was some game imbalance instead of him just being bad.

Are you sure that's not you? It sure sounds like you.

you are so right.

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eobet

Join Date 11/2008

Quoting rhymfaxe,

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Now you just screw over all the other people you play with (especially your teammates) because you're a sore loser and you cannot have fun unless you win. So you just make other's game experience crappy, but that's ok right, you paid $40 and by god you should be able to do anything you want. Funny how RL doesn't work like that. You ever meet up with your friends, for a game or something. Lets say soccer, and suddenly one side has 4 players and one has 5 because "screw you guys i'm going home!!"?

First off, I can have fun even without winning... but not in this game. I wonder why that is? I suspect it is because there is nothing to do for a loosing player, except being harassed and chased around the playfield. One of the drawbacks of stripping down an RTS to the bare essentials, perhaps?

Second, the thing is, I don't meet up with my friends in this game. I play against faceless, anonymous people on the internet, in a game with very poor communication options. So the social aspect of the game doesn't yield much empathy on my account, unfortunately (especially when you see the level of maturity on most of the posts on this forum). Also, if I get benched in that soccer game there will be a reserve player ready to jump in, and that's the AI.

So, for me, Stardock needs to do three things:

1) Make the game fun for the loosing side as well... (or improve the AI that matches up skirmish/Pantheon games to make them fair)

2) Improve the social aspect of the game... (call-for-help-shortcuts which are visible on the map, permanent chat display, etc)

3) Improve the AI for people who still quit... (the AI stands still too much, I think, and should react to those call-for-help-shortcuts)

Quoting rhymfaxe,

reply 1

I'm so glad there is a banlist in the works that will hopefully let me weed out people like you.

I'm also glad to hear that, then I can ban all you hardcore players and only play with the casual crowd.

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It seems to me that people complaining about "rage quitters" are those who are playing these famously overpowered demigods, like Unclean Beast and Erebus. So, you are winning, why complain?

If I choose Regulus or the Rook, and end up playing against a team with two Unclean Beasts, I know from the start that we're going to loose. If that game would have been a custom game, I wouldn't even have started it. But since it's a pantheon or skirmish game, I have no control so I need to suffer for half an hour. And that half hour goes as expected, slow but steady slaughter. No chance in hell for a win, despite our best efforts.

That is not fun.

I bought the game to have fun, not to be a die-hard-have-no-life-online-competition fan.

If I would have quit immediately instead, I could have joined another game with better odds and had half an hour of fun instead of half an hour wasted just because you want the childish pleasure in crushing an opponent you know will never be able to harm you.

Get a life instead, and let me try to have a bit of relaxing fun between the times I try my hardest, which is actual work and family matters.

Quiting out of nerdrage is poor sportsmanship. You want a fair game, but your definition of fair seems to be "Something I know I won't lose against" Ok... You do realize that the only way to become a better player is to actually play against good players? So what if they pick a DG that you have a hard time with? Just play the damn match anyway and try something new. If you pick Regulus and there are 2 UB that's not a death sentance. In fact, I find Regulus to be pretty pimp vs UB, just get mines and pinning shot or whatever the slow is. I rarely see regulus players get mines and they are very effective overall. They can take out groups of units, they do a lot of dmg so they can take a DG by suprise and at max level the slowing effect STACKS with the pinning shot ability, so you can pretty much bring any DG to a halt with them and if you plan it right you can annihilate a UB easily.

I personally think that you want to be a lazy player, that's perfectly fine, but lazy players have no business complaining about what is fair or trying to say that ragequitting is ok. The reason that your double UB vs regulus/X game would never start in Custom is because Custom matches aren't competative. If you want to be lazy, don't play in a competative arena such as Panetheon. If you don't want to be lazy, play out a full match, even when you are losing you never know when you can turn it around.

A game I had yesterday it was a really crappy 1vs1 with me as TB vs a Regulus. He got the first 3 kills before I nabbed him, but he ignored a gold mine flag and I didn't. I was on the ropes but I kept playing even though it looked bad, and guess what? I came back and won the game. Just because you are losing doesn't mean you've lost. And just because you don't think things are fair doesn't mean they aren't.

And with other posters, I agree that ragequitting hurts teammates way more than it annoys opponents. If you want to be a jerk to your teammates and ragequit at the start of a game where you don't think you can beat a double UB team, then I hope to GOD you stay on the forces of light and I can stay on the dark side and never have to see you ragequit and lose me a game.

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eobet

Join Date 11/2008

Quoting TaurusOx51,

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...your definition of fair seems to be "Something I know I won't lose against".

No, my original post was only about the extreme case in which I got matched up with two percieved unbalanced opponents.

Your assumption is extreme in exactly the opposite direction, and doesn't reflect my opinion at all.

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Quitting is your right. No one controls you and if you aren't having fun, quit. The problem is your quitting replaces you with a crappy AI that will almost certainly guarantee the loss of your team. This is a game design flaw that needs fixing. You are not at fault, for there will always be ragequitters. The flaw lies in the fact that the game wasn't designed to compensate for them.

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If I choose Regulus or the Rook, and end up playing against a team with two Unclean Beasts, I know from the start that we're going to loose.

I lol'd pretty hard.

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There is a reason people hate rage quitters, they ruin games. When the game isn't going their way they quit. You say you wouldn't start a custom game if you didn't like the demigods on the other team. Most people would just kick if you were a known rage quitter.

You leave your teammates down a man with a horrible AI sabotaging them and no chance to make a comeback. You should concede as a team or continue as a team.

Yeah, sometimes stuff comes up and you have to leave. If you make a habit of leaving people will obviously want to avoid playing with you.

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The only solution to this problem is to remove the gameplay entirely and have the outcome of matches decided by a behind-the-scenes equation based on which Demigods the teams have in play. After clicking the Launch Game button, your informed that you've either lost or won. If it ends in a tie, the winner is decided by a random number generator. This is the only fair way as it's obvious it's impossible to beat UB or Reg and you shouldn't have to try.

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Quoting ZehDon,

reply 9

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The only solution to this problem is to remove the gameplay entirely and have the outcome of matches decided by a behind-the-scenes equation based on which Demigods the teams have in play. After clicking the Launch Game button, your informed that you've either lost or won. If it ends in a tie, the winner is decided by a random number generator. This is the only fair way as it's obvious it's impossible to beat UB or Reg and you shouldn't have to try.

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Don't be silly, it should be a vote on the forums. But I suppose your idea is acceptable as long as we don't actually have to PLAY the game to find out. Ooh I get goosebumps just thinking about it.

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look, if you don't enjoy this game at all except when you're winning easily than you have a problem with the game itself and you shouldn't even play this game because you don't even like it.

you gotta drop this non-sense strawman arguments like "hardcore" vs "casual". those categories don't exist. you gotta adjust your attitude because you're not even trying to have a good time with this game. you say you won't even bother to try playing out a game based purely on which DG your opponent is playing? give me a damn break. your attitude sucks.

for those of us who actually DO like Demigod, there's not much sympathy or regard for people like you who take actions that make the game more frustrating and less enjoyable for the rest of us.

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