The problem with bite is not any specific thing, but it is the combination of things. Vamp does damage and heals himself. Point for point healing is better than damage because you can force an opposing DG to retreat and continue to capture your objectives if needed. The real issue with bite is that it heals and damages. Helping you stay in the fight and forcing the other person to leave. Further, because it has an armor reduction your basic attacks now do more damage and all you life steal items become even more effective healing you more. Then you add the snare so that they guy can not even get away from you and your life stealing and you get to OPed. Add to all that the ability to get out of the battle or damage at almost any time with mist or bats and you get really OPed. Then add in the fact that Erb is fast and you have total domination. This can all be countered, but not easily and not by one DG unless their skill level is through the roof and they play perfectly.

I will agree that once we see really good teams that counters will be formed that require the great teamwork. However, tha leaves out all the casual players that will play pickup team pantheon games all alone. Combine Erb and UB and you have an ustoppable force, even if the guys playing them are virtual noobs, unless the light side has highly skilled players. I would put myslef in the middle of the skill pack at best, so it is not a whole lot of fun being rolled by 2 UB, 2 Erb, or UB/Erb teams of any sort. And that is all I see 90%+ of the time. So if you can't beat them then join them. Pantheon is going to be great fun when it resets and there are 4000 Dark side players trying to get games with 300 Light side opponents.

so ur bitching that it is all in 1

but they do more dmg  so dont bitch about bite because it isn't that great

there is a counter  u just have to learn it

i have more trouble with ub spit  but i dont think u should be able to get double spit   it is rediculous dmg  i think the second one shoud extend the first but the first one  and the second one can't be active at the same time

how much mana at the start

I can say the same thing about Regulus as you are saying about Erebus - given a good player, it is almost impossible to kill him. Arguably moreso, given his "gun".

Bite has a collection of effects, but lets not forget both the magnitude of those effects (doesn`t heal much, especially lategame) and their duration (very short... barely enough armour reduction for example to get in another 2 or 3 swipes).

I will say that Bite pales (!) in many ways to other core abilities of the other Demigods. Its good as is.

Bite is a little OP.

Just had a game with two of us equal level Sednas(13), against one Erebus(14), 1 level above us. End result 1 dead Sedna and me running away licking my paws. Even with 1 set of creeps (with priests) on our side in the fight it was pretty impossible, to even get him in a sweat.

That is a crazy result for 1 DG to output that much damage. He wasn´t equipped with any artifacts.

I know playing as Sedna, I can hold off 2 DGs for a little while, I will go in against them because I know I can get back out again.

I know that it is an assassin class, but it should not be able to take on two DGs and win.

Not massively OP, IMO, I don´t automatically run away from an Erebus, but I consider it the most dangerous DG.

I don't think bite is OP, because a basic favor item is enough to defeat erebus, provided he doesn't get to equip a favor item himself.

An example game from yesterday:  I chose erebus.  My opponent chose oak.  The game started, I bought the two cheapest armors available, then set out to the nearest flag.  When I got there, in comes oak.  I bit him, then ran left towards some other flags.  I should have been able to outrun him.  But I couldn't - oak ran me down, and started swatting at me as I was running.  At that point I tried to get back to my towers.  I'd quickly turn and bite him, then turn and run while recharging the bite, then quickly turn and bite him again, then turn and run while recharging the bite.  I never made it back to my towers - he killed me.

I asked him "Why are you faster than me with oak?  Are you cheating?"  He said "No - a favor item, 25% speed increase."  I said "Oh okay, well I can't equip favor items so... cya."

The whole point of that story is, if bite were so OP, I would have won that engagement, don't you think?  If you don't believe this story, play it out yourself.  Take erebus, give a competent friend oak + whatever favor item gives the 25% speed increase, meet him on the field of battle, and see if you can bite and run away.

By the way, I'd say I'm a decent player because I win 9 out of 10 games I play.  So decent erebus minus favor item against decent oak with favor item = win for oak in the first or initial engagement.