Which explains why I can't win with the advent perhaps...

Loved this hands on

Making the wait for the beta hard

Well, even 8 would be okay. Encouraging meaningful choices is a good idea, and if there is going to be a permanent leveling system in one of the modes, it is better if the leveling thing is more developed than DotA.

More would be too much, though, I agree. 4 would be too little.

Personally I can't stand the kagillion skills you have in WOW. 8 is alot less, but I would hope that at least half of those are passive. Having to manage more than 4 activable skills is a mess. Sure it may distinguish the ranks by skill, but don't forget there may be activable items too!

Personally, I'd like to see every Demi with 2 core activable skills. Then maybe 1 or 2 more situation/ultimate activables, and then manage the items as best you can. Fill up the rest of the slots with passive skills or auto casts (blah). Anymore than that will cause you to pull your hair out and the lesser skills will just go unused.

Boo to 40+ demi's. Dota has a large community that is constantly churning out new hero ideas. Sometimes, there's a really good proposal so they add it. They can't cut any of the existing Demi's because the group that plays that hero (and every hero has fans [except maybe Keeper of the light]) would complain. Dota has evolved into many characters. Earlier versions had fewer heroes to choose from.

To illustrate, think back on Street Fighter 2. There were only 8 selectable characters with 4 bosses (unlockable in some versions). The game was fun, you could play through a brief story mode with each character. Every character was built to be able to take on just about any other character (some exploits, but thats beyond the point). It didn't take too long to get a feel for what each character could do, how to play, and how to counter.

Now think on Marvel vs Capcom. I think there were about 70 characters. Sure, it may be fun for variety, but how long did it take to learn all of their skills? Maybe you just pick a handful and learn them, but you would still need to know what the other characters could do so you can counter them properly. IMO, Streetfighter 2 was the better game.

I'd say give us whatever Demi's you have ready for the beta, be that 4 or 12. Demi like dota, will have up to 5v5 on the field, so at least 10 unique Demi's will be needed for release. To give everyone some options, I see around 20 for release. After that, either patch or add-ons could slowly introduce more Demi's. I think they will lose flavor after 40 though.

my 2 cents

Care to add more to your argument? Examples, reasoning, logic? hell, just something that takes a stand.

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Well that's fairly easy to understand. It just means it's only your opinion and I'm far from sharing it.

As for your example, well, Street Fighter 2 was fun to play 15 years ago. Today, the gameplay is way too simple (too few different attacks) and is rapidly boring.
Moreover, you say it wasn't too long to get a feel of what each character could do (in sf2), well I think in wow it's not that difficult to learn what to expect from other classes. Of course, it takes a bit more time than with sf2 but it's far from beeing as difficult as you say.

At least this is my opinion and this is why I hope we won't have a single button mashing game.

Amen!

However, there may be one way to make 40+ Demigods a logical option for even a small Art team as GasPowered has at their disposal, and still provide a relatively low amount of skills, and in a technical fashion, low of amount of Demigods. (40+, but still low?)

What I mean isn't exactly simple either, but at least it's easier that making individual demigods up to 40 (which is an idea I don't really support). But perhaps once I see the game, I could judge whether or not what it's really worth it or not -- and what I mean is this: A Custom Demigod. But not fully custom to an insane degree, you can pick a base skillset such as the Queen of Thorns for instance, and then have access to various plant like parts you can use for a few different stock animation types. In essence, you could make a King of Thorns or a large vine beast (like taking the Uncean Beast's model and animations with new skins, but dramatically less power).

The downside is that is can really confuse people as to what your Demigod is capable of, and like was stated before on Odit's post the 12 standard versus the 70 in MvC is a big difference. I'm sure the developers may not want to take this road, but who knows? Perhaps some personal tweaks may be what people are looking for in a Demigod.

If anything, I'd be extremely pleased with just being able to change a few things to the things I can play. Like for isntance with the Unclean Beast, giving him a long, nasty tail (that doesn't physically attack though) that gives a more reptilian appearance to math his boney head. I'm not asking for a full change in the concept, but what if I could make some custom changes to the Demigod myself to make it more of a 'personal' thing. Would get pretty old, pretty quick if I went up agaisnt Demigods who looked exactly likely me, spare a minor color change (red versus blue).

We'll just have to see what is done and what can be done once Beta begins.

On the issue of not enough skills, I could give you a list of at least 500 dota/demigod/aos style skills, and each one would have a diffrent purpose and tactical use. On top of that even if the same skill is used by two people, the other skills will make the hero play completely diffrent. So skills is most defiantly not a constraining factor.

I wouldn't say Spore, as that is certainly a bit of an extreme! But in Spore there were many 'Snap On' parts. Perhaps it would be interesting if all the models had 'snap on' areas you could customize. And since the game will allow you to "trick out" your castle through achievements, why not your Demigod as well?

I don't think they would add more skills... That would mean changing the maximum level... More demigods with new skills yes, but adding more skills doesn't work in my mind...

Which something I'm hoping they don't do personally:

A) It makes it so eventually every demigod can do everything, every demigod can be a good a tanker as a dpser, to the point where one might as well just pick based on looks alone..
Distracts as it takes time to read every skill and then decide.
C) Makes the game less noob friendly.
D) And why not just add another demigod?

I agree with this.

@ Mooey:
It seems that there will be plenty of single player options to get used to the available skills. And I doubt you will be able to "make it so eventually every demigod can do everything" because there will probably be a level cap and/or the game won't last long enough to get every skill.

Even if you can eventually get every skill, you'd still have to make a skill choice based on your strategy at each level up. You won't instantly go from level 1 to level 50 (or whatever the level cap is).