Or perhaps causing such an argument in a thread about not wanting to partake in such arguments is ridiculous. It in fact rather illustrates the point as to why we can't just 'not read it'. It seems to follow us around.

We seem to be stuck in some Mony Python skit having to do with whether we came here for an argument or abuse.

Again you seem to be agreeing with my point that to "just not read it" is not a legitimate defense for these threads existence, so therefore you must be agreeing with my premise that political and religious threads should not be on display.

As far as circular reasoning about causing an argument about having arguments, the only argument one could have is if you're disagreeing and suggesting that political and religious threads should be prominetly displayed. However since you seem to agree that it's not good to have arguments then we are in agreement.

you only wish to have arguments in threads with which you agree with the premise and there should be no argument in any thread with whose premise you don't agree. Clearly that is selective agreement and most would argue against selective agreement. Don't you agree?

Look pal, argueing is part of any forum these days. Stop looking at the past. By removing the off topic post from the recent posts window, a lot of people will be missing out on good news and debates. People also wont see my raps songs.

These kinds of posts get people mad. And this post has also gotten me a warning from Kryo about language use (anyone who was offended by the F word, I'm sorry.)

Kick this post off the whole frickin' forum.

Etrius

This has all been done before, about a year ago if I recall. And what Mumble is attempting to stop is what happened then where most of the recent posts list was filled with those types of threads, causing strive with quite a few longstanding members here. We just don't want to see this friendly and helpful community degraded to that of some other game forums. Freedom of speach really has little to do with it, it's about the community here.

If I want to read Pol/Rel. discussions, I'll pop over to Joeuser.com and check out posts by people who go there for that purpose and generally have a better grasp of their topic of choice, not just a bunch of biased afterthoughts by random gamers.

Nobody's said anything about that (hiding categories from the recent posts list) happening. In fact it can't presently and won't for the forseeable future happen. The recent posts list just shows everything, period, and the word is (as it was last time this request came up) that that's the way it's going to stay.

We can and will however enforce the standing policy against inflammatory topics and trolling. The *only* reason that topic got as far as it did is because there was some question about which sites shared that particular category after the recent reshuffling (particularly if the topics appeared on JoeUser, where near anything is fair game). However it appears to be shared only across the GalCiv2, Sins, and Demigod sites, and as such, the topic was dealt with.

Should any similar topics crop up, they'll also be dealt with appropriately. That's really all there is to it, so lets consider this settled, eh?

I was trying to hold back but i just have to speak. I was part of the crusade against the OTF last year along with Marshall ONeill and no matter how civil we tried to be and not to respond to inflammatory remarks, we ended up becoming part of the problem we hate, OT threads being on the recent post list.

Now that someone has had the courage to tackle the issue again, thankyou mumble, the flaming, over what is some people's misreading and interpretting the OP, looks to be starting again. Mumble, nor anyone else here, asked requested or demanded anything but the exclusion of the OTF from the recent post list. Of course there were those that don't bother to read the thread and make up their own meaning and start flaming in response.

And if i'm not mistaken i went through all this with you a year ago GeneralEtrius.



Really? Must be the ones you go to. Funny that.......




Relating to what? GC2? Or real world events and topics? If you think the removal of the OTF from the recent list will prevent people from hearing about real world events and news and then debating it you really need to climb out from under whatever rock it is you are living under and realize that this is a game site. People do not come here for the latest gossip or news. And if they do, then they are in the wrong place and should take their OT threads to Joeuser or somewhere similar. And all of the GC2 news is readily available without ever looking into the OTF.

I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but this is a game site. Why should the debates and inane topics of the OTF take up the space intended for threads pertaining to the game we are here to enjoy.

How many interesting AAR's have never been read as they have been lost due to the OTF taking places in the recent list?
How many threads relating to the mechanics of the game have not had their importance felt because of a political debate from the OTF?

More importantly, how many new comers to GC2 and this forum have left the forums as all they could see on the recent list was religious and political threads. A new player comes to the forums looking for help or to become part of the community and is faced with political debate or why god is bad etc, etc, then leave convinced that there is nothing helpful to them on this site and conclude that the game is no longer worth their time.

Now that is a loss to the whole community and possibly a loss of a future customer to Stardock.

How may veterans of this site have already left because it seems that this forum cannot stay focused on its purpose and reason for being, Galactic Civilizations 2?

General, you want the OTF, fine. Go chat in that arena all you like. But your completely irrelevant (to this site and it's purpose) chat should not be cluttering up the recent lists prevent game related topics from being seen by the community.

Personally i'd love to see the OTF deleted all together. If you want to debate religion or politics, there are many other sites to do that on.

Why oh why these topics are allowed to clutter up and degrade a fine GAME SITE is beyond me. Isn't that what Joeuser is for?

Well Kryo has spoken and that really should be enough for everyone. The OTF will remain on the recent posts list but there has been no policy change that makes threads that were previously deemed "too much" now acceptable. I do expect that things will go back to the bounds of acceptablity.

I saw no harm in making what I thought was a simple request even though a similar request was made and rejected a year ago. I still can't see how such a simple request could itself cause such grief. But in any case Kryo has spoken and that is enough for me.

It's barely been a couple of hours and you're calling upstanding members of the community a jerk. I see how much weight you give Kryo's warning. Keep it up and you'll be joining Wheel soon enough.

Just because you and Neilo are "upstanding" members of the forum does not protect you from people expresseing their opinions of you. I find Neilo an arrogant jerk. I can say that because of the first ammendment, something you and Neilo are trying to water down by removing the Off Topic forum.

I support Kryo's decsion to keep the OTF going. 'Nuff said.

Etrius

None? Seriously, what the hell kind of point is that?

No, you can say that because Stardock chooses to allow you to do so. The first amendment protects you from Congress impinging on your right to free expression, no one else.

This is the GalCiv II site and as such it is only reasonable to only include topics related to GalCiv II on the "recent topics" list. Everyone interested in the off-topic content will go there anyway.

And while we're at it: The "recent topics" list on totalgaming.net hasn't been updated at all for a loooong time. You should take a look at that.