I'll add this one last thing. I only played WiC for as long as I did because there were no other good RTS games available yet. I like to get games when they are first released.

I will admit that I got bored with WiC after about a month. Controlling 4 to 10 units just isn't that exciting.

With Sins, you're going to feel like an EMPEROR! The galaxy can be yours!

True, but he wanted to hear from people that have played both Sins and Wic.

Both Wic and Sins have demos available.

Keep this in mind too. With WiC, you cannot design and host your own map unless you own a server and all the players have downloaded the maps.

With Sins, I have read they plan on making it possible to design and host your own maps with ease. Not yet, but soon. Hopefully.

There is an easy to use map editor with Galaxy Forge, but you cannot host those maps easily. They will fix this, I'm confident.

Really? How?..oh In-game generated.

Nevermind. (

Yup, finally got a clear answer as to my issues of concern so that's that. AI will continue to be worked on, diplomacy will not be fixed outside of an expansion, end of story. I can't say I'm thrilled about the second part, but at least I know what the situation is so there's no further need to inquire. Pity about the tone of the response, though.

In the interest of keeping to topic, here's the pros and cons of Sins as I see them:

Pros:

-Very stable, largely bug-free
-Great graphics with a "Babylon 5" feel
-Excellent random map generator
-Scales well to low and high end systems
-Allows very small to very large games
-Slow pace allows more thought than a typical RTS
-Emphasis on multiple planet development rather than a single base
-Capital ship "hero" system provides a fun lite RPG element
-Good fleet system allowing easy unit organization
-Empire tree allows good management of fleets and building on planets



Cons:

-Shallow research system populated primarily by small-percent-increase techs
-Only 3 factions, which share the bulk of their techs, buildings, and ship classes
-Excessively random and frustrating diplomacy system which is not context-sensitive
-Weak AI that is hard pressed to provide a challenge even on high settings unless you force it to gang up on you
-Gameplay scale means you spend the bulk of your time looking at icons rather than the aforementioned great graphics
-Gameplay frequently descends into "build ball of units and send at other ball of units" gameplay to which RTS's are prone, there's little to no value in combat tactics
-Empire building is simplistic compared to even the most basic 4X game
-Games are generally long enough to result in capital ships attaining max level and races reaching the end of their tech trees, resulting in the late game always being the same (as there are no more choices)
-Empire tree gets cluttered easily and provides no sense of relative location, and there's no minimap to compensate for this

Buy the bundle pack of COH and COH:OF before you get this game. Otherwise, SoSE is far superior to games such as Kane's Wrath, Sunage, WiC, etc.

I completely missed this when you wrote it Annatar, but as you can see above I eventually thought of it myself. The best thing anyone can do is play the game for themselves to develop an opinion, now that the demo's available.