Bombers. Just make sure there are no flak frigates around. Also if you scout around and see he has a bunch of LRM frigates try and manuever it so he's meeting you at a spot instead of the other way around.

or upgrade the shield ships, to be using the push ability.... he can't kill you if he can't get close enough...

No... LRMs do normal damage. Its assailants that do anti-capitol damage. Unless they changed something in release?

Checking the .entity file, LRMs do ANTIMEDIUM. But, yeah. Fighters > LRMs (they do 2x damage vs them, whereas bombers only do 0.5x).

ah thanks for that correction, thought they were anti capital.

Spamming only one type of ship should be fixed
Its just not fun when I encounter others spamming early ships from beginning to end in MP.

Currently, you have to look in the .entity files (which are bit annoying to check in their current binary format) for the armor/damage types and compare that to the damage values listed in Gameplay.constants. Can't do it tonight, but I could probably throw together a list on Sunday.

i think spamming is one of the "stupidest"(i cant say what i really want to say) tactics in the game. it takes away from the whole idea of tactics if everyone spams this is gonna become just like every other stradegy game. USE TACTICS!!!! for god's sake even the AI uses tactics, so come on its not rocket science, or is it? idont know or care but think thats why u have brains.

sorry about the rant if u cant understand wat i was getting at, my point was "use tactics, spamming is wussy and takes away from the game any idiot can spam. dont be that idiot."

I have to agree... Most games people use the same damn strategy - spam missile frigates and bum rush your opponent. How boring is that. It becomes a click-fest but I'm sure there's gotta be a strategy to win. Maybe ironclad can nerf these missile frigates a bit so they become easily destroyable and require lots of support to be effective, then that would stop the spam tactics.

just 2 let u all know..

lrms suck.... i dont know how u try to counter them but i've only lost once to a massed lrm fleet.

what to do vs massed LRM's

when your oponent uses massed lrm's the rules of combat change, get as CLOSE as posible and hit those dammed lrm's 1 by 1, ignore his capital ship and retreat your capital when shields are down (happens pretty fast)

since lrm do bonus damage vs small frigates (cobalt etc.) do not mass those (no more then 25 in a medium fleet, no more then 50 in a large fleet)

best way to counter is with Kodiak classed Cruisers, altough u probably dont have the tech at that time.... if u do, its your way victory.

if you dont, do the following:
get around 25 cobalt classed friagtes, and 10, preferably 15 lrm's (cobalt are to distract your enemy and do pretty neat damage vs lrm's)
if posible get a 2e capital operational
this wil take some building time (specialy 4 the Vasari) but it all happens way faster with a second friagte factory.

once your ships are combined n ready 2 be moved do not attack your enemies planet in order to destroy the lrm's
he'll probably have some defenses wich do even more damage, and may cost you the battle

wait for him to attack you, or surprise his fleet while it's jumping to an undefended system


once u found some good conditions to attack your enemy face him head/on. theres a chance he'll try to take out your capital,
in order to use this to your advantage move the capital behind your fleet, if the LRM's follow, move away further,
in the meantime your cobalts and LRM's should popping some enemy LRM's, greatly reducing there fleets firepower


short said, micro your capital ship, dont bother about the enemy's capital, and focus al firepower to those pesky LRM's since they pop rly fast,
should he ever try to run away with his lrm's change target to his capital ship, he'll either return with his lrm's or flee with his fleet
should he return with his LRM's continue popping those as mentioned b4.
last little help. do not micro YOUR cobalt and lrm's , if they become the target they'll die anyway regardless if theyre at full shield & HP, let them keep firing at the enemy, or you'll just spill an extra shot





there
that's all i have 2 offer.... hope it's readable 'n all that stuff
this always works 4 me, you might lose your capital, but he'll be missing around 30 lrms


dont forget to read the ships discription....
i heard people talking about lrm's being good vs capital...
this is not true
kodiak classed cruisers are the only ships (+ bombers) wich do bonus damage vs capitals
lrm do bonus damage vs cobalt classed friagtes

both good ideas, 1) hard cap (let player choose x, where x is the limit), 2) the stick (penalty for too many of one type, in cost or effectiveness or both, let player choose X where X is when the penalty begins to apply). X should perhaps be a percentage rather than a hard number, so that it auto-scales w/fleet size/map size.

Another, third option would be the carrot: 3) combined arms bonuses. 3.5) or perhaps a d&d style 'favored enemy' choice in the tech tree (you get to pick 1 specific ship per enemy race to get bonuses against, which of course would automatically be of more and more use the more your enemy favors that one ship.). 3.7) or a new unit type or defense structure or research ability that gives accumulated bonuses for killing the same ship type consecutively (resets to zero bonus once that unit kills a different type). The more they kill ship type Z, the better they get at it sort of thing.

Hasn't it been beaten to the hilt in other threads, that fighters shred LRM? Why are people calling nerf anyway?